tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post671915034041734174..comments2024-03-28T22:25:39.706-06:00Comments on The Michael Bane Blog: Gura's Response on Machine GunsMichael Banehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630187848984050478noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-43667683560073349402009-05-25T02:48:14.296-06:002009-05-25T02:48:14.296-06:00I live in New Zealand, and am following the battle...I live in New Zealand, and am following the battles you have with great interest. What amazes me is that you can't have a silencer! My .22 (a Savage) comes with a factory fitted full over barrell suppressor, cut down to be minimum legal length (762mm) and sold like that with a factory warranty. It is quieter than a spring loaded BB gun I also own.<br />I thought cans were just logical...<br />piovenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-60826449277847957122008-08-29T05:51:00.000-06:002008-08-29T05:51:00.000-06:00Good Job! :)Good Job! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-74604249641538706712008-03-25T02:35:00.000-06:002008-03-25T02:35:00.000-06:00SO, it's a "public opinion" argument you want? OK...SO, it's a "public opinion" argument you want? OK.<BR/><BR/>He's in court arguing against a blanket ban on a class of guns, immediately afterwards he's at a press conference where he argues that exact point against machine guns. Besides the bucket of "hypocrite fuel" he just tossed on the fire you'll be seeing those same words as support to keep unconstitutional bans on machine guns.<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-49644258519935662462008-03-22T20:56:00.000-06:002008-03-22T20:56:00.000-06:00I think everyone is missing the real effect of Mr....I think everyone is missing the real effect of Mr. Gura's words. Our enemies my be anti-freedom, but they are not stupid. They know we've stolen their playbook.<BR/><BR/>One of these fine days, Mr. Gura is going to get his machine gun case, and he'll wind up in front of the Supreme Court. And one of those justices, one who is not on our side, will quote him his own words.<BR/><BR/>And there, The Freeholderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09989697995675652792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-32806504246564866062008-03-22T08:23:00.000-06:002008-03-22T08:23:00.000-06:00Gura like any good lawyer avoided the key point he...Gura like any good lawyer avoided the key point here on machine guns. He not only avoided it in his reply but before the court.<BR/><BR/>First, they ARE lineal descendants of arms carried by the founders. Both in terms of technology and purpose. Second, it is as a result of the Miller decision that they are NOT in common use today. Miller was one of the things to be evaluated and as Kennedy said Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-9295671673763738682008-03-21T13:34:00.000-06:002008-03-21T13:34:00.000-06:00As an attorney and a gun owner, I agree with Alan ...As an attorney and a gun owner, I agree with Alan Gurra. 100%. Thanks Michael.Petehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14362947529758185047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-37410935117368413202008-03-21T06:27:00.000-06:002008-03-21T06:27:00.000-06:00I don't think there are that many that had any exp...I don't think there are that many that had any expectation that Heller might have had an impact on the 1934 NFA. However, I had hoped that it might be something that would strike down the Hughes Amendment. I'm not even remotely as concerned about having to register a machine gun as I am about an artificial reduction in supply driving the price of those guns up at least $10,000.Laughingdoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07788824586959334168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-71296041514647625142008-03-20T21:42:00.000-06:002008-03-20T21:42:00.000-06:00The older I get, the more and more convinced I bec...The older I get, the more and more convinced I become that the hard-core GOA types are a lot more interested in proving that they are much more interested in freedom than you are, than they are interested in actually winning on any single gun issue.<BR/><BR/>I swear, they'd rather lose while screaming "NO BE INFRINGED" and beating their chests than winning the single biggest gun-rights victory inAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-81744666634261710982008-03-20T17:52:00.000-06:002008-03-20T17:52:00.000-06:00I think it would be great for someone to make a Yo...I think it would be great for someone to make a Youtube vid of buying a suppressor in New Zealand (or any of the other countries in which they are commonly available), and then throwing away as they get on the plane back to America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-3629174530841145632008-03-20T17:14:00.000-06:002008-03-20T17:14:00.000-06:00I've fought the Machine Gun Public Perception Camp...I've fought the Machine Gun Public Perception Campaign about as much as anyone, only I started twenty years ago. The simple truth is this dog won't run.<BR/><BR/>No matter how you frame it, you CAN'T SELL IT to Mr. & Mrs. America, even if they have a cabinet full of deer rifles and trap guns. <BR/><BR/>And you damn sure can't sell to Federal Judges or legislators. Neal Knox, bless his soul, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-50548939553393686292008-03-20T17:13:00.000-06:002008-03-20T17:13:00.000-06:00Mission one to win this one, Mission 2 win the nex...Mission one to win this one, Mission 2 win the next. there is no way short of civil war we will roll back everything at once.As long as the ocurts work I say use em.Now if the courts don't work weroll up our sleeves and do what needs to be done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-34083499251714212672008-03-20T14:48:00.000-06:002008-03-20T14:48:00.000-06:00I listened to the audio of the oral arguments and ...I listened to the audio of the oral arguments and at first I was worried that Gura didn't answer all of the points raised by the opposition, and the justices, very well. I still think he could have done better on the self defense question.<BR/><BR/>Then I ran across a topic that noted that Gura was fighting to win vote 5 and it became much more clear to me how well he did. His response that you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-88333128580562956292008-03-20T14:09:00.000-06:002008-03-20T14:09:00.000-06:00Another good reason for pushing cans is the "sophi...Another good reason for pushing cans is the "sophisticate" aspect - I believe they're pretty much required in many European countries for exactly the reasons set forth in prior comments. For better or worse "the Scandinavians do it" or "the Brits do it" has a lot of appeal in many circles - in this case rightly so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-16398403993383761892008-03-20T14:05:00.000-06:002008-03-20T14:05:00.000-06:00I agree with you. On the suppressor issue, there ...I agree with you. On the suppressor issue, there is a good reason to pursue it in the name of winning public support:<BR/><BR/>Urban encroachment.<BR/><BR/>More and more we hear about gun ranges being attacked by urban johnny-come-latelys who don't have experience with firearms into urban areas and demand a local outdoor range be closed for noise reasons. They may be uncomfortable in general The Armed Canadianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09187514314023986067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-23016937341116093162008-03-20T14:02:00.000-06:002008-03-20T14:02:00.000-06:00I was at the Gun Rights Policy Conference when Gur...I was at the Gun Rights Policy Conference when Gura and Levy spoke on teh case. <BR/><BR/>The majority of the crowd understood, but there was the "cold dead hands" crowd that insisted any court fight that end with the words "What part of shall not be infringed do you now understand, robe boy?" was a sell out. <BR/><BR/>It took 80 years to get here on gun control, it may take 80 more to get back Joe Merchant24https://www.blogger.com/profile/07339086169062396440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-86223095714879623182008-03-20T13:57:00.000-06:002008-03-20T13:57:00.000-06:00Reasonably. That seems to be what the Court wante...Reasonably. That seems to be what the Court wanted to insert into 2A. "...keep and bear arms shall not REASONABLY be infringed."<BR/>They mentioned not carrying a gun to market.<BR/><BR/>Just like the 1st now basically reads, "congress shall make no UNREASONABLE law respecting..." You can't yell fire in a theatre.<BR/><BR/>The 4th already has unreasonable in it.Overload in Coloradohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277277751144486368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-10710650910691515222008-03-20T13:41:00.000-06:002008-03-20T13:41:00.000-06:00I ***personally*** think Gura should have walked i...I ***personally*** think Gura should have walked into court wearing nothing but an American flag, toga-style, a belt of .30 cal draped over his shoulder and an M-60 instead of a litigation bag, and spent his entire argument period shouting "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED ! SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED !"<BR/><BR/>But that's just me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-52021458347228075632008-03-20T13:26:00.000-06:002008-03-20T13:26:00.000-06:00I have read the commentary on a number of gun foru...I have read the commentary on a number of gun forums and it seems some gun owners are naive in the extreme. There has never been a snowball's chance the court would strike down CCW permit laws, regulation on machine guns, age restrictions or background checks.<BR/><BR/>I do hope at least one liberal justice (Souter?) will side with the conservatives in declaring the 2A an individual right and theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com