tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post3750066267035974309..comments2024-03-29T03:31:54.220-06:00Comments on The Michael Bane Blog: Still Running Like Crazy!Michael Banehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630187848984050478noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-67593884204030753772011-06-15T08:50:19.106-06:002011-06-15T08:50:19.106-06:00Its Pleasure to understand your blog.The above art...Its Pleasure to understand your blog.The above articles is pretty extraordinary, and I really enjoyed reading your blog and points that you expressed. I really like to appear back over a typical basis,post a lot more within the topic.Thanks for sharing…keep writing!!!<br /><a href="http://www.stayinbonn.com" rel="nofollow"> Bonn Hotels </a>sagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06812975263086532929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-33883325675773876002010-04-14T00:47:28.346-06:002010-04-14T00:47:28.346-06:00The Arizona Game & Fish Dept. model is an exce...The Arizona Game & Fish Dept. model is an excellent example for others to follow in building ranges, such as Ben Avery and Rio Salado Sportmen's Club. <br /><br />Bitter is correct that hunting licensing is in decline, certainly a concern for NSSF, but Arizona faces the same decline. AZ Game & Fish has some innovative approaches to <a href="http://www.azgfd.gov/eservices/Roberthttp://www.greatsataninc.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-60568119503301990622010-04-13T18:10:12.215-06:002010-04-13T18:10:12.215-06:00Need to allow for local control and tailoring of r...Need to allow for local control and tailoring of ranges to local conditions. In some urban settings a great many small ranges with limited capability (e.g. .22's and handguns) might be preferred. <br /><br />Maybe they could be clustered geographically around larger facilities where space can be found.be603https://www.blogger.com/profile/16725527391429125225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-2838309290031763552010-04-13T10:34:49.373-06:002010-04-13T10:34:49.373-06:00"To be funded a range must also make provisio..."To be funded a range must also make provisions for outside training to be available."<br /><br />Err, uh, no. As someone who's spent quite a bit of enjoyable time and money on training and on training to be a trainer and on NRA certification. And as a volunteer who's spent a LOT of time teaching here http://www.wcwinc.org/club/educ.htm here http://washingtonarmscollectors.org/Boyd Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09520276593686491417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-27290683484788767992010-04-13T10:33:39.542-06:002010-04-13T10:33:39.542-06:00First of Michael, I really appreciate the attempt ...First of Michael, I really appreciate the attempt at stroking the ego by calling me an insider. But we both know that to compare my piddly former access to a couple of better connected colleagues with the fact that you have multiple television shows where you can take your beef with the industries to a wide public don't even begin to compare. So I don't quite agree that you and I have Bitterhttp://www.thebitchgirls.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-68333679643864922852010-04-13T09:55:28.065-06:002010-04-13T09:55:28.065-06:00I love the idea that Ulmus put out there about con...I love the idea that Ulmus put out there about converting empty "big box" stores into indoor ranges. There are so many of them around that they have spawned their own name - Grey fields.<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfield_land<br /><br />My own county is trying to buy an old WalMart building to use for their Dept of Social Services and Health Dept.<br /><br />With proper John Richardsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03151468462458613615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-42050762891865829452010-04-13T09:17:17.863-06:002010-04-13T09:17:17.863-06:00It's not just Ben Avery: As Jim points out, Ar...It's not just Ben Avery: As Jim points out, Arizona is chock-full of great outdoor ranges, all funded in part by Arizona Fish and Game matching grants, so it seems to me that if we are to mimic the success of the ranges in Arizona we need to incorporate some of the strategies this state has used to secure funding for first-class shooting facilities. <br /><br />For example, my home range, RioExurbanKevinhttp://www.exurbanleague.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-75996807648461604652010-04-13T06:43:23.294-06:002010-04-13T06:43:23.294-06:00There a few "out of business" ranges aro...There a few "out of business" ranges around... I drove by a beautiful one with several brand new skeet shooting stations a couple weeks ago near Eatonton, GA (southeast of atlanta and north of Milledgeville.. It was a tragic site, and the place was brand new... I was told the guy who started it went belly up (probably due to too much up front capital expense since it was pretty fancy).DamDocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-74296935892861209842010-04-13T02:20:33.114-06:002010-04-13T02:20:33.114-06:00I think where your argument is weakest is when you...I think where your argument is weakest is when you talk about the black rifle owners and self defense gun owners as if they are a different people than hunters, and a competing segment of gun owners. You reported that 76% of people who bought guns in 2009 did so for self defense or personal protection. I know you understand that last year was unusual (to say the least) when it comes to firearmsJim Heffelfingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-6721119689796807422010-04-13T02:18:58.136-06:002010-04-13T02:18:58.136-06:00Michael -
I took great interest in this episode f...Michael -<br /><br />I took great interest in this episode for several reasons: I am a former USPSA competitor, current IDPA Competitor (2nd place in last year's AZ State Championship for CDP-SS Division), serious gun rights advocate, CCW holder, professional wildlife biologist for the Arizona Game and Fish Department, hunter, hunting mentor, pro-hunting advocate, reloader, and my paycheck Jim Heffelfingernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-1761693358827648322010-04-13T00:32:49.799-06:002010-04-13T00:32:49.799-06:00“...how about the hunting license monies they'...“...how about the hunting license monies they've been siphoning off for years now? and other fees that were earmarked for the outdoors? “<br /><br />We might be able to use this problem to fix the other problem. If a state has put RP and other “outdoor use” moneys into the general fund, a campaign can be started to earmark these moneys for their proper purpose.<br /><br />This counters the “Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192263071617818017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-25069923032608078812010-04-13T00:30:22.880-06:002010-04-13T00:30:22.880-06:00With all due respect Mr. Bane, Bitter asked You a ...With all due respect Mr. Bane, Bitter asked You a question.<br />“How are you going to convince states to put up the money in order to qualify for the match requirements? “<br />Which you have not answered.<br /><br />Your plan, good as it is, has a hitch It requires federal action with state approval when states are in no place to approve anything.<br /><br />The proper way to prove naysayers Clinthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12192263071617818017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-13207115707496259942010-04-12T21:31:20.881-06:002010-04-12T21:31:20.881-06:00New range development is a marketing problem that ...New range development is a marketing problem that requires a marketing solution. Very often, when budgets are tight and local anti-gun sentiment is high, one can make the case for a new range more palatable, more essential, and more indispensable by at least partially "selling in" the new range as a firearms training facility. <br /><br />For example, here in Oregon, I belong to the<Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-17642230775717212312010-04-12T21:29:53.734-06:002010-04-12T21:29:53.734-06:00I don't think it's added spending for rang...I don't think it's <b>added</b> spending for ranges, Bitter. It's shifting current monies. Of course, something else loses. Here in NC, you might actually have to pay a couple of bucks for your Hunter Safety Course and the materials that go along with it, instead of it being completely free. And I <b>can</b> see the Wildlife people not wanting to give anything up. <br /><br />The eeyorenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-55536871148764895292010-04-12T20:35:20.452-06:002010-04-12T20:35:20.452-06:00So Bitter, any suggestions other than doing the sa...So Bitter, any suggestions other than doing the same thing we've always done and stand by while taxes we pay buy more duck habitat? I'm open to suggestions...you and I have both been insiders, and we've seen what goes on behind the curtain. Our experiences have, however, diverged.<br /><br />Most of the things I've accomplished - and frankly I've done a pretty good job on thatMichael Banehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630187848984050478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-43616380492636815982010-04-12T19:51:17.621-06:002010-04-12T19:51:17.621-06:00This might sound out there, but how about using so...This might sound out there, but how about using some of that money to buy up some now empty "big box" stores or factories and convert them into indoor urban/suburban shooting ranges?<br /><br />They might not be large enough for 1,000 yard range shots or high powered rifles, but they could be properly set up for some action shooting, defensive shooting, and plinking ranges.<br /><br />Ulmusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-42507430342512096612010-04-12T18:29:58.798-06:002010-04-12T18:29:58.798-06:00Forget about making it dependent on matching grant...Forget about making it dependent on matching grants from the state for the first 3-5 years - make it a special grant program, making it all about taking the money and putting it to use in building ranges and organizations to run them - without interference.<br /><br />I'm sure that violates some rule, but I had to put it out there. Rules can be over-riden, even at the Fed level, for a short Pathfindernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-23480797009627302852010-04-12T18:09:23.016-06:002010-04-12T18:09:23.016-06:00Before doing a final draft - really really need to...Before doing a final draft - really really need to look at the record when Dave Parsons (long since retired) and other NRA folks and field reps were working hard to get ranges built - at the time when the land was still available. <br /><br />I've had handout packets of letter size paper an inch thick from the NRA for local clubs and state associations on getting ranges built. Also of course clark myershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087642063181620051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-35001981276320265692010-04-12T17:42:05.847-06:002010-04-12T17:42:05.847-06:00Michael: Bitter makes an extremely strong point a...Michael: Bitter makes an extremely strong point and a good one. I believe range development is the No. 1 need facing all shooters for the future, but she makes a good point that essentially you can't get blood out of a turnip when looking at state budgets.<br /><br />I personally think the urban parks & recreations departments are a possile alternative if the states required too much Frank W. Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589579734134153159noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-48590069448952333062010-04-12T16:19:13.848-06:002010-04-12T16:19:13.848-06:00That money isn't there now. And if a state wa...That money isn't there now. And if a state was swiping outdoor license fee funds, why didn't local sportsmen work to oppose it before the money was spent? It worked in Massachusetts when Mitt orchestrated the stealing of all the outdoor funds - including what the feds gave in matching grants - before sportsmen filed complaints with the feds that ultimately resulted in lawsuit threats Bitterhttp://www.thebitchgirls.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-13950722209949274402010-04-12T16:07:02.516-06:002010-04-12T16:07:02.516-06:00Gee, I dunno, how about the hunting license monies...Gee, I dunno, how about the hunting license monies they've been siphoning off for years now? and other fees that were earmarked for the outdoors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-46454883429138792112010-04-12T15:41:20.444-06:002010-04-12T15:41:20.444-06:00How are you going to convince states to put up the...How are you going to convince states to put up the money in order to qualify for the match requirements? I've seen some chatter about some states not being able to afford the matching requirements to even be able to take their apportionment.<br /><br />Any serious proposal is going to have to include an analysis of state budgets, too. You'll have to convince state legislators that they Bitterhttp://www.thebitchgirls.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8293484.post-90345868762365231432010-04-12T15:37:14.116-06:002010-04-12T15:37:14.116-06:00How about ranges at Wildlife Management Areas? Ho...How about ranges at Wildlife Management Areas? How about at state and national parks? We the public already own the land.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com