Friday, March 26, 2010

Interesting Gun Stuff

While I've been working I've overlooked some interesting firearms datapoints out there. Most interestingly, earlier this week MSNBC, never a friend of gun owners, ran a generally positive piece on concealed carry:
In the 1980s and ’90s, as the concealed-carry movement gained steam, Americans were killed by others with guns at the rate of about 5.66 per 100,000 population. In this decade, the rate has fallen to just over 4.07 per 100,000, a 28 percent drop. The decline follows a fivefold increase in the number of “shall-issue” and unrestricted concealed-carry states from 1986 to 2006.
The highest gun homicide rate is in Washington, D.C., which has had the nation’s strictest gun-control laws for years and bans concealed carry: 20.50 deaths per 100,000 population, five times the general rate. The lowest rate, 1.12, is in Utah, which has such a liberal concealed weapons policy that most American adults can get a permit to carry a gun in Utah without even visiting the state.
The decline in gun homicides also comes as U.S. firearm sales are skyrocketing, according to federal background checks that are required for most gun sales. After holding stable at 8.5 to 9 million checks from 1999 to 2005, the FBI reported a surge to 10 million in 2006, 11 million in 2007, nearly 13 million in 2008 and more than 14 million last year, a 55 percent increase in just four years.
Their accompanying open survey found more than 80% of the people answering the survey, "Very safe: If a crime is committed or a threat of violence made, they’ve got the means to respond."

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that a Connecticut man, Peter Kuck's, "stake in the firearm license is a liberty interest tied to the right to bear arms recognized by state law." Here's the whole decision at the Volokh Conspiracy. The decision means that states who drag their feet or require a high level of jumping through hopes to grant or renew a concealed weapons permit may be open to Constitutional challenge. As Sebastian at Snowflakes in Hell notes, the Second Circuit encompasses New York City with its Sullivan Law, specifically designed to slwo and stymie firearms ownership.

If we receive the decision we hope for in McDonald early this summer, you can be sure the Sullivan Law is next in the legal sights.

Sebastian also notes that Arizona has moved one step closer to permitlessly carry. As one of my commenters (who are really smart, I might add!) noted recently, we should all be movng toward permitless carry, concealed and open. I agree that permitless carry is closer to my reading of the Second Amendment (which, of course, doesn't matter in the slightest).

GunsAmerica, the huge firearms sales site, recently published an article on the state of the gun blogosphere, which concluded that all in all we're doing just fine. Nice list of the 20 gun blogs not to miss (which includes this one). Read the whole thing. OI also suggest stopping by Farmer Frank James blog, Corn, Beans Spent Brass, an Empty Page and a Deadline, on his feral hog apocalypse hunting trip...darned interesting! Good job, Frank.

And finally a sad point. The venerable firearms manufacturer Marlin will close it's doors.
Workers at the Marlin Firearms Co. in Connecticut say they've been told the 140-year-old company will close next year and all 265 employees will lose their jobs.
Workers at the North Haven company say they learned about the closure plans Thursday. They told local news media layoffs will begin in May and the company will close by June 2011.
My good friend John Snow over at the Gun Shots blog from OUTDOOR LIFE puts it this way:
For people like me, whose first image of a deer rifle was a lever gun, this is a black day. The virtues of a lever gun are many—they are handy, elegant, effective and, from the perspective of a gun nut, have great histories and are interesting examples of industrial design. It is discouraging to think that they can’t be produced in such a way as to be profitable—especially in light of the some of the advances Marlin achieved in partnership with Hornady Ammunition in recent years.
I think there are a number of factors at work here. First, the Obama Bubble — which Jim Shephard over at The Shooting Wire is discussing today — sucked a lot of "gun money" out of the economy...that is, a large portion of potential gun buyers' discretionary income for the at the very least the rest of 2010 has been spent. A lions share of that money went to black rifles, with handguns close behind. Nothing wrong with a consumer society the buyer "votes" with his or her wallet.

The lever gun seems like "your grandfather's Oldsmobile," although in reality nothing could be farther from the truth. Lever guns are ubiquitous and thus taken for granted...until something like the Winchester closing a few years back sent '94 Winchester prices into the stratosphere. The nameplate came back, of a much higher price.

Secondly, despite the advances John mentions in lever cartridges, the rifle market focus remains on precision shooting bolt guns and semiautos. The huge number of used lever guns already in the market creates a drag on the new lever gun market. Cowboy action shooting has had, after an initial boom, a net negative effect for Marlin's guns. First, there has been a huge proliferation in types of available lever guns, including the generally excellent Italian clones of the Winchester 1860, 1866, 1873, 1876, 1886, 1892 and 1894 models, even the Colt Burgess! The Italian clones exhibit the fire workmanship that used to be associated with American guns — color-casehardening, deep bluing, upgraded wood, etc. — in a flood of calibers. Even though the Italian guns are now at a much higher price point (baseline $1000), they've siphoned a lot of the money away from the American nameplates of Marlin and Winchester (to the destruction of that brand). Additionally, CAS rules allowed the "short-stroking" of the toggle-link guns, the 1873s and 1866s, to reduce the arc of the lever, thereby making the gun faster to operate. The heavier, clunkier 1873s quickly took over the cowboy market, pushing out the Marlins (which had dominated the sport in its early days). Marlins became an entry-level rifle, and as cowboy has leveled out with fewer new shooters coming in, sales of Marlins in pistol calibers languished.

Obviously, Marlin has other lines — their bolt guns and their rimfire series, including the Model 60, which Marlin correctly bills as the "most popular .22 in the world." But it's a tough bolt gun market out there, and the .22s have to face the Ruger 10/22 juggernault.

Interestingly enough, last night at dinner TBD series producer Tim Cremin posed one of those "only one gun" questions...which rifle would we take if ewe could only have one. Pincus chose a .308 short-barreled bolt action; I chose a 30-30 lever gun, "probably a Marlin." My thinking was a reasonable and commonly available hunting cartridge, relative fast to cycle, an excellent self-defense rifle, light and easy to carry close to indestructible. Right now my "bedroom rifle" is a Marlin 1894 in .44 Magnum, loaded with 240-grain Black Hills, accurate and in a proven manstopping calber.

I will also say unequivocally that there's a Marlin 1895GBL 6-shot 45-70 "Guide Gun" in my immediate future, even if I have to sell off a bolt gun or a pistol to get it...

It might need a trip 'way up north to Wild West Guns, too...


Tim Covington said...

This is truly sad news. Whenever someone asks me to recommend a beginning 22 semi-auto, I recommend a Marlin 60 because of its inherent accuracy and reliability (my wife took mine from me the first time she shot it). A couple of Marlins are now on my shopping list.

Geoff aka Pathfinder said...

Wow, incredibly sad news.

I had a Marlin 336RC, looked NIB when I bought it at a ranch auction in 2004. I looked up the s/n, discovered it was made more than 50 years earlier in 1952. I used it as my ranch gun, eschewing the Ruger Mini-14 I had bought to that purpose.

The only gun I ever sold over which I had serious seller's remorse was that Marlin. So last year, I went out and got another at a pawn shop. Checking the s/n, I discovered that I had an original model year model of the 336RC - 1948.

It will never leave me, it is that good of a rifle.

I need to get the barrel re-blued by Marlin before they close though.

Rev. Paul said...

If you do make it to Anchorage, let us know ... lots of good shooty-type folks would buy you a coffee and/or adult beverage of your choice.

WV: oxboomm ... must be talking about your 'bedroom rifle'.

jbbooks said...

I don't care if Marlin's are considered entry level rifles, I started CAS over 20 yrs. ago with an original .45colt version, and it's never let me down once. I don't need no stinkin short stroke kits. Then again, I'll never be the fastest gun on the line either. I love my Marlin Cowboy, octagon barrel rifle gun!

nj_larry said...

I suspect that Marlin is gonna have the best one sales record in their history. I have been watching the Davidson's inventory literally disappear since this morning. Almost nothing left.

Anonymous said...

Is Freedom Group phasing Marlin out completely or are they moving manufacturing to Ilion, KY, or some other location?

The H&R plant was closed and production moved to Ilion.

If Freedom Group bought Marlin only to close it they are dumber than a bunch of rocks. Oh wait, Cerebus bought Chyrsler....

Anonymous said...

According to -

The plant in CT is closing, but Marlin is not going away - at least not yet.

ericire12 said...


You could have saved yourself a lengthy post and just said see


Anonymous said...

I think that Jeff Cooper once said that the lever-gun was in-fact the best tactical rifle choice. If I'm mis-remembering who said it, then I'll take credit for at least repeating it. ;)
The 1894 Winchester was also one of the first "Scout Rifles", a Jeff Cooper "original concept". I remember the Bausch and Lomb scopes and mounts made to fit that rifle, way back. Marlin upgraded the concept with the Guide Gun and the tactically equipped maodel with ghost-ring sights.
The virtues of a lever-gun are many. It is usually chambered in a "hardware store" caliber meaning that you can get ammo anywhere. It is compact, rugged and reliable. It can also be continually topped-off, as you expend rounds, without removing a magazine. It can also be carried chamber-empty, with only a quick cycle of the lever to get it cocked and ready to fire. Recently, there have been a few "shows" talking-up those very points.
I covet mine, for those very reasons and they're Marlins.
Life Member
P. S.: This is a great opportunity for someone to step in and I hate to use the word "down-size", but to at least weed out the unpopular models from the winners at Marlin and maybe at least keep the true Marlin Champions alive.

Mark Horning said...

We are NOT going to get Vermont/Alaska style permit-less carry in AZ.

The anti- gun folks managed to introduce a "poison pill" amendment to the AZ Senate Version that would effectively outlaw private sales, so we are now considering it a "dead bill".

mikeb302000 said...

"Permitless carry" is going to turn out to be the thing that really backfires on your movement. So far the deleterious effects of concealed carry are not clear enough, in fact you guys still deny them, but as the laws keep relaxing it'll become clear.

Anonymous said...

I'm honestly indifferent about permitless carry, if only because my CCW permit allows me to skip the annoying background check, and is good for five years after you pay $150 for the refresher class and permit.

This is also good for getting better deals at shops; less hassle for the owner may get my offer accepted.

Michael Bane said...

I'm just impressed that anyone commenting on my blog would use the term "deleterious!" Use it 2 more times, mikeb, and it's your word. The 2 of the most studied recent phenomena in American culture are the ostensible deleterious effects of both silicon implants and the concealed carry movement. You can suggest more and more studies, but all the massive studies so far say the same things...there are no deleterious effects for either plastic boobs or concealed carry...btw, at this point "deleterious" is now MY word, too!

There's some conflicting information as to whether Marlin is only closing the plant, which would in effect end the nameplate a la Winchester, or whether the guns still making money will be relocated to New York or North Carolina. To be sure, Freedom Group/Cerberus has a lot of excess manufacturing capacity to produce the rifles.


PS: Don't you know by now I steal everything from my friends at Say Uncle...that is, what they don't steal from me!!!

mikeb302000 said...

Dear MB, I'm glad you liked the word. Maybe we can share it as we do our initials.

Thanks for writing a great blog and showing a bit of a sense of humor.

Michael Bane said...

Besides, the lever gun market is interesting to of these days I'd like to put together a business article on it...

mb (again)

nj_larry said...

On news of Marlin's closing/reorg/whatever, I have been debating getting one more of their lever machines. Would like to get the 1895GBL also but it triggered an absolute rage in me for the whole weekend. Why in the name of pete do these companies see plywood stocks as something attractive? Have they no imagination, industrial designers? Sorry but that god awful stock alone will prevent me from going for it. At this point I'm so mad that I just might not buy anything from them. Smart move Marlin management !

Anonymous said...

Long ago I found a cut down nickel Marlin 45-70 in the sale rack. Acquired it, then discovered it was a custom takedown somebody had done with "Alaska Guide Rifle" "Trophy Bonded Bullets Inc" ... "4 of 5" dimly engraved on the sideplate. The WWG guys said it wasn't one of theirs, so where it came from is still a mystery, but it's mega fun and not one I plan to part with anytime soon.

Rich said...


Get your facts straight! They're not shutting the company down; just moving. 2 minutes worth of searching on something like would've kept you from posting that BS.

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