Tuesday, December 11, 2007

Common Sense Gun Legislation I Can Get Behind!

From GunLaws.com:
Gun-Free Zone Liability Act

Originally introduced in Arizona as The Defenseless Victim Act of 2002, this bill recognizes that gun-free zones, recklessly made and typically with no alternative security provided, are known to be extremely dangerous.

We have seen this (when the bill was first introduced) in the Wakefield, Mass., slayings, the Luby's Massacre, and even the hijacked airliners on Sept. 11, where pilots and passengers were defenseless, in the false name of security. Congress responded to that with the "Arm The Pilots" law.

The death toll from gun-free zones continues to mount, with the 2007 Virginia Tech slaughter of helpless students and faculty, and at a Christmastime massacre that year in an Omaha shopping mall. The mall had "no guns allowed" signs to keep out FBI-certified citizens with CCW permits. The murderer, as in all such cases, disobeyed the signs. The news media continues to suppress stories where armed individuals stop such mayhem. See for example, The Bias Against Guns, by John Lott, for numerous egregious examples. You can also read this eloquent gun-bias editorial online.

The Gun-Free-Zone Liability Act basically says that, in public places, if you create a dangerous gun-free zone, you're liable for any harm it causes. There is no cost or budget item associated with enacting this bill.

The idea that gun-free zones are safe is fraudulent.

It is a mythology perpetrated by anti-rights activists who can often be recognized by their beliefs that:

1 - self defense should be illegal,
2 - guns should be confiscated,
3 - no one but "authorities" should have guns,
4 - government can take care of you better than you can.

The anti-self-defense lobby would tell you to rely upon the police for your safety, but they always omit the inconvenient facts that:

1 - police have no legal duty to protect you;
2 - they routinely respond only after an event to pick up the pieces;
3 - when seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
I wonder if it might be possible to really get this on the table (it has been seriously discussed in Arizona and Georgia legislatures). As theauthors note, even forcing the concept of gun-free zone liability intothe general discourse would have an excellent effect — public property owners would start thinking in terms of civil liability as well as criminal liability.

If I am ever involved in a mass shooting in a place where I am forbidden to have my legal gun, you can bet I will be filing a spectacular lawsuit against the property owner, all the associated businesses on the property, every single corporate entity involved, plus their spouses, pets, kitchen appliances and anything else I can think of.

I think it is appalling that the MSM continue to parade their antigun bias...read David Hardy's Arms & the Law reporting. The newspapers and electronic media should be trumpeting that an armed civilian stopped a madman's slaughter...but that would go against their deeply held religious belief that we are all incapable of protecting ourselves and need Big Brother 24/7.

UPDATE...from the Denver Post this AM, two other male church members with CCWs drew theirguns but apparently froze:
Near an entryway in the church, Bourbonnais came upon the gunman and an armed male church security guard who was there with his gun drawn but not firing, he said. [Larry Bourbonnais is a Vietnam vet who, like Jeanne Assam, ran toward the sound of gunfire]

Bourbonnais said he pleaded with the armed guard to give him his weapon.

"Give me your handgun. I've been in combat, and I'm going to take this guy out," Bourbonnais recalled telling the guard. "He kept yelling, 'Get behind me! Get behind me!' He wouldn't hand me his weapon, but he wouldn't do anything."

There was an additional armed security guard there, another man, who also didn't fire, Bourbonnais said.
Compare this to Assam, who walked toward the shooter, firing as she walked and shouting repeatedly, "Surrender! Surrender!"

As I have said repeatedly, it is truly impossible to look in the rearview mirror at a chaos event. It's easy to say what we might have done, because we weren't there. I do think it is worth a broadbrush after-action report:
1) Jeanne Assam went to cover at the sound of the first shot (as she said in her CNN-reported press conference).
2) She quickly realized she was in an "active shooter" situation, which totally changed her mindset and her tactics. Instead of "go to cover and defend" — the most basic self-defense tactic — she shifted to "engage and attack" — the only response to an active shooter surrounded by targets.
3) She broke cover and engaged the active shooter.
4) She also verbally engaged the shooter, which served two purposes — it gave the shooter the chance to live, and it distracted him from his deadly rampage. We should also note that the unarmed Larry Bourbonnaise also verbally engaged the shooter, which got Bourbonnaise wounded but bought time for Assam.
5) Assam shot on the move.
6) She apparently kept firing until the threat was neutralized. I have seen it reported that she fired 10-12 shots in the encounter.
I can't speculate on the two armed men who didn't engage...we simply don't have enough information. I will say that violent encounters in reality are never what a person imagines them to be beforehand. That is what we train. And train and train. Assam is a former LEO,so I am making the assumption that she had at least academy training.


Anonymous said...

Thanks for your coverage of this event.

Got a question I just have to ask.

Any word on what she used?

With her LEO training, I'm betting Glock 22 in .40S&W.

Anonymous said...

This is interesting...about Assam...


Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

I went to the charityadvantage site and looked around.

Apparently, it's a grievance page for folks who don't like Twin Cities police officers.

They put up the public records of complaints about police.

Every single complaint...including all those which are dismissed.

For example, on the CharityAdvantage site, there are 31 Twin Cities police offices whose last name starts with the letter "A" who've had complaints filed against them.

I'd figure getting complaints filed against you shows that you are actually doing your job as a police officer.

Not Available said...

About Assam...
"Assam said she's drawn her weapon countless times in her previous work in law enforcement. But she said she's never had to fire before."

She done good this time!

Anonymous said...

Now *that's* a woman I'd be glad to buy a drink for! 8-)

Anonymous said...

Wonder if the other guards weren't in a "defend" mode. If they didn't have her LE background, or military background... And he had, at least at one point, a rifle. If the shooter was wearing any form of body armor + a rifle, most pistol shooters [and that includes me] are probably going to fall back into a defensive position.
Odd note: the guy who ran up is saying he took a jammed pistol from the dead shooter and cleared it. WTH! OldeForce

Anonymous said...

It is becomig more evident that Law Enforcement like it or not don't get to the scene quick enough,or they are on a call.So with budgets affecting the number of officers every where there aren't enough.The citizens need to stop sugar coating things and realize people are defending themselves all over the US just read the paper or see a news program,people are shootig back at home invaders and saving themselves and the next victum. When it hits close enough to home they will change there opinion.

Anonymous said...

the ME said that the man died from a self inflicted GSW to the head, not from the shots fired from Assam
this news was on CNN...interesting

Anonymous said...

In the Canadian Dawson College incident, the active shooter committed suicide with his own gun after being wounded in the engagement with two police officers. They happend to be onsite for other reasons when they heard the shooting start elsewhere in the building. Montreal police for at least the last year are being trained to immediately close with an "active shooter", as opposed to withdraw and form a perimeter. Law enforcement is slowly learning...


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